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Re: Ranieri

Post by Limecc » 24 Jul 2022, 22:25

Only a few outings this year but can update how the Turning Point Hustler performed after making trips west out of Hayling, and one time in the other direction past Selsey.

So I'm happy with it, but also a little perplexed. Top speed was the same as before - 29kn - despite an extra inch of pitch and one blade less (later 27kn two-up with raised Bimini). I suppose not bad in a big sea and with a strong side wind but wish it were 16" pitch. I think the three blade ventilates slightly easier so had to trim down to prevent blow-out. I do have the engine set quite high, but the flip side being it didn't bog the motor either. All told, the £85 alloy prop was a bargain but not if you've already got a stainless Solas that's only one pitch less.
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Visited River Arun/Littlehampton. Launching on 3.5m of water, I'd lost over an hour because I didn't really have any firm plans where to go, but it ended up being a trip up the river Arun which meets the sea at Littlehampton, a delightful seaside town between Bognor Regis and Worthing.

There was a strong westerly following sea on the journey out and I was jumping the big rollers with ease cruising at 22kn/5000rpm, so despite a late start, arrived so quickly at Bognor I decided to press on. Not much to see offshore and because of rocks and submerged obstructions (some unmarked) existing nearer the coast line, I couldn't even see much of that.

I've purchased Navionics to supplement the Garmin. Have the former zoomed out the get the overall bearing, and the latter zoomed in to get low level detail needed to stay safe. Relief shading is better in Navionics, maybe need to investigate putting it on a waterproofed tablet instead of smartphone. Touchscreen also difficult to use when bouncing around, more so than the Garmin.

At this point, reflected and had to sing the praises of no-feedback steering. It lived up to the hype and is fantastic. Makes steering so easy and the boat feels safer and more 'planted'. Previously could be difficult keeping straight line on big slams while holding on to wheel as a grab handle with left hand, right hand on throttle. No fear of hooking or a nasty wave changing the boat's direction, could even let go of the wheel if I wanted. I'll never be without it and could never go back to regular steering.

So I entered Littlehampton inlet at 13.20 just before high tide, the journey took 1.1/2 hours. Plenty of depth in the middle of the channel but a gravel bank hazard port side, I took some video and waved back at onlookers walking along the quay:
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I wanted to get as far up the river as possible and as there were no anglers or people out walking I opened the throttle a little to make progress. No need to fear wake washing the banks as this was a tidal section and there were no moored boats. It started raining. How unwelcome.
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Rounding one bend, I saw a big mooring and slipway associated with The Ship & Anchor pub at Arundel:
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Google shows they also have a **9/10** campsite, so possibly a great place to stay with the option of a cooked evening meal or pub lunch.https://www.ukcampsite.co.uk/sites/deta ... revid=1526:Link

I put up the bimini which wasn't much protection and set off again. The boat's own movement turned steady rain into a driving rain. I sat down behind the console screen but then it was more difficult to avoid floating debris, and there seemed to be plenty of it although no big bits of wood.

In no time at all I arrived at Arundel which has a very impressive castle and went under the A27 bypass road bridge:
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A few hundred yards later there was a very low arch bridge, the bimini went under with just a few inches clearance:
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Since it had stopped raining and was of little use anyway, I took it down around the corner, watched intently by a few diners at the Waterside Cafe and Boat Hire:
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Pressing on, I made it another half mile just past The Black Rabbit, another pub restaurant, with short stay moorings for boating customers:
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The tide this far inland was still rising but I was conscious of the need to return so reluctantly I turned around and headed back toward the castle. More rain. Duh. A little miserable to be honest.

After going under the low arch I was glad the bimini was down as this time it would have hit. I even felt like ducking my head. It was then the engine started to splutter, I had run put of fuel and used 25L. Bad timing as the current was flowing in at about 3 knots and taking me back toward the bridge. I made a decision not to deploy the anchor, but things were a little sketchy while I quickly lifted the foredeck locker to put the connector on the other tank, then pumping the bulb vigorously to re-prime the fuel line. The new longer line takes more pumps.

Past the Ship & Anchor, it seemed three times longer on the return. Had to go dead slow past some paddle boarders and the moored boats at Littlehampton marina, then as I exited the inlet at 14kn on-plane, experienced some BIG waves and I had to drop my speed to 8 knots and off-plane. There's a sand bar and at low tide you can't get in or out, and the wave size is heightened when it encounters the shallower water. It was tough going and I had no choice but to take it head-on. I couldn't cut the corner to starboard because of the spit and shallow water, and to port would have been in the opposite direction I wanted, toward Worthing.

I never worked the throttle, the cable's a little on the stiff side, not tried the oiler yet. Just tried to get the speed right and there was no point trying to pick a line to avoid the really big ones as very much a washing machine. I think swerving is what ultimately fetched the aux off. Disaster! I don't even know how long it was gone or what made me turn my head.

I try to plan for various scenarios, so fortunately I'd fitted a 4mm Dyneema safety line. But still a distressing sight seeing the motor dangling a foot below the water. Carefully I manoeuvred it back onto the aux bracket. I was surprised and pleased there was no metal fatigue and nothing was broken. It was safest back on the bracket as I couldn't have it bouncing around on deck. I tightened the clamps as tightly as I could and resumed taking a zig-zag course, tacking to reduce slamming but no swerving on the biggies.

The boat was taking a pounding and so was I. One wave sent the bow up with such force I got a thick lip from an impact on the steering wheel. Another came a little later, and as my knees bent to absorb the impact, my right knee smashed into the console and it HURT. I decided not to worry about getting back while there was enough water back at Hayling Yacht Co, and just tried to make the best progress for the conditions. But what would it be like around Selsey which is particularly notorious? I would soon find out. The conditions eased and I was able to vary my speed between 14 and 16 knots.

Have to praise the Ranieri for being a very dry boat. However conditions were such that the strong wind would boomerang any side spray from the bow back and directly into my face. The salt stung my eyes and reduced my vision. Experience quickly taught me to anticipate this happening so could tightly close them in the split second before taking the face full. The console shielded my body and I wasn't cold or soaked through, was glad I was waterproofed and had my coat zipped all the way up.

After a hour or so I approached the overfalls at Selsey Bill and the tidal flow would have been at it's fastest. Actually not as bad as feared, and by now I've a strong confidence in the boat and the conditions it can handle. Couldn't take any video of course, as needed to keep control. Maybe should invest in a mounted GoPro for the future?

Approaching Chichester, I cut the corner as much as I dared, making sure to turn toward deeper water when I'd only got 6.5ft of depth. By now I was in the lee of the Isle of Wight and the sea was far more friendly allowing 25 knots no bother.

So how had I done regarding the tide? Actually was ok but only just. Arrived back at 16.30, had at least 20 minutes before 2.5m of water at the slip, and the absolute minimum I've launched is 2.3m. Not ideal but I was ok going over the Mill Rythe sand bar and there was no wind back at the slip making it easy to tie up and reverse the car and trailer in for the recovery.

The aux motor was my priority now. Back at the campsite I drained any water from the carb bowl. Fortunately the fuel tank vent had been closed and there was no water in there. I gingerly pulled the starter cord to see if it had hydraulic lock. No! Excellent! I tried to drain off the oil and water in the sump, and bummer. Whoever last put the drain plug in had overtightened it and the hexagon head rounded off even though I used a ring spanner. I turned the motor upside down and drained it through the filler plug. It only holds a small amount of oil and I had some Mobil oil in the caravan locker so I refilled the motor and ran it up in a bucket of water. After a couple of minutes when it warmed up, I drained off the milky emulsion that had formed, using the same method as before. I refilled it and ran it to temperature again and the oil didn't re-emulsify. I liberally sprayed water displacing oil everywhere I could and the next day to generate as much heat as I could, ran it extensively under load while tied up at the dock. It seemed fine and I planned not to do anything more until back home and now I sorted the drain plug out, serviced it and ran it to temperature again.

Reflecting on the whole trip, I've no regrets. Gained good experience and saw some new sights. Shame about the aux motor, but it could have been worse had it been completely lost.

One lesson learned is that I should have gone out with more of a definite plan. Also it would have been useful to have tested the return going while still setting out. Maybe I would have spent less time up the river Arun or better, set out at the earliest opportunity on the tide. A difficult thing to judge though, I had several inconvenient options had I run out of water. Mooring at Sparkes marina or extract at Northney marina or Langstone or Chichester slips which are available at all states of tide. Here's where it pays to have onshore support with car and trailer, maybe more difficult if we were both out together.

Glad I'd had foresight and secured the aux with a safety rope. Also, I think the Tohatsu's flimsy tilt lock would have broken had I not used a short length of timber and a 50mm wide Velcro strap to fix it in the tilted position. My home-made aux bracket seems to be holding up nicely too, it's definitely been stress tested. The forward mounted fuel tanks worked well, the straps loosened slightly under extreme slamming, otherwise everything's looking good.

Stats? I covered 59Nm (68 miles) using 41.6 litres of fuel and it took 4 hours 40 mins, that's an average speed of 13 knots and fuel consumption of 0.7L/nm, 25% worse than my IoW trip which returned 0.53L/nm. Cost £75 thanks to the current fuel prices, actually not strictly true as was still using last year's fuel that I had stored with stabilizer (not sure how long it can last nowadays so I've switched to premium instead of regular).
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Subsequent trips out highlighted what I already knew, that the boat is underpowered. I'm happy with it one-up, but it's still stern heavy and slow to plane when loaded, despite the top end being ok. The lower pitched four blade doesn't help much in this regard compared to the Hustler, and the Hustler had more mid range slip negating the point of buying it (I wanted lower revs at cruising speed not more). The hydrofoil's effective and helps a lot, but moving the fuel tanks to a lesser degree because this only compensates for the 18kg aux. Correct placement of lardy passengers is the best solution, but a less embarrassing one is to uprate the engine. Max rating is 77hp or 52kw/120kg but I'm not interested in buying a new motor as it makes no sense and there's never anything secondhand so let's see what happens.

What about the overheat alarm? Was it fixed? Well yes it seems fixed but I was disappointed initially until I found I'd left gaffer tape (used to assist engine flushing) blocking off the water intake under the AV plate. Duh! Stupid me and stupid design by Suzuki - they even specify the use of duct tape in the owners manual!
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Re: Ranieri

Post by harrison » 26 Jul 2022, 08:18

Limecc wrote: ↑
24 Jul 2022, 22:25


…..is to uprate the engine. Max rating is 77hp or 52kw/120kg but I'm not interested in buying a new motor as it makes no sense and there's never anything secondhand so let's see what happens.

Noticed on the other channel you’ve already sold the Suzuki.
What’s replacing it??
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Re: Ranieri

Post by Limecc » 26 Jul 2022, 09:04

harrison wrote: ↑
26 Jul 2022, 08:18
Limecc wrote: ↑
24 Jul 2022, 22:25


…..is to uprate the engine. Max rating is 77hp or 52kw/120kg but I'm not interested in buying a new motor as it makes no sense and there's never anything secondhand so let's see what happens.

Noticed on the other channel you’ve already sold the Suzuki.
What’s replacing it??
Found another Suzuki with just 90 hours. Will update the build thread soon, have been writing it up as things progress, just needs pics. Having to do some fibreglassing on the console (different gauge), and transom (mold join had unbonded), and stern (doing away with old style rigging).

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Re: Ranieri

Post by Limecc » 20 Aug 2022, 15:43

harrison wrote: ↑
26 Jul 2022, 08:18
Limecc wrote: ↑
24 Jul 2022, 22:25


…..is to uprate the engine. Max rating is 77hp or 52kw/120kg but I'm not interested in buying a new motor as it makes no sense and there's never anything secondhand so let's see what happens.

Noticed on the other channel you’ve already sold the Suzuki.
What’s replacing it??
aanndd.. ladies & gents.. drum roll...
Here it is lol:
Will test it out soon and report
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Re: Ranieri

Post by Limecc » 06 Sep 2022, 21:20

Managed to try the new engine and made a trip to Fareham. Not entirely happy how things went because I sustained damage to my brand new prop at some point.
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The low down pickup is really impressive but I wonder if the new engine is set too high. When trimming fully down the fin seemed to pull in air and cause ventilation. When trimmed level the bow was pointing to the sky but at least the prop was gripping. It was uncomfortable maintaining a ski jumper stance at the helm :D

There was a F4 onshore wind with approx 4ft waves as I crossed Chichester Bar and made a course toward Horse Sand Fort to avoid the submarine barrier.
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Was meeting the waves head-on and it was a bit hairy with the boat bouncing around but 20 knots cruising was possible with a couple of bursts to 28 knots. A far cry from the calm sea, low tide photo above. Look at those skeg hazards for the unwary. Wow!

There was a big ship in the distance so I turned to starboard and caught it up, following it into Portsmouth.
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Turned out to be a Brittany ferry, probably arriving from Santander or Bilbao, Northern Spain, some 630 miles total and crossing the notorious Bay of Biscay.

Entering Portsmouth you have to use the small ships channel to the side of the deep channel. There were a number of police boats guarding the area around two identical looking £3.1B aircraft carriers, the meeting unplanned because one had to return because of a damaged prop shaft.
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They were last docked together in 2019 although we were held up by The Prince of Wales last year:
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Not much to describe about the journey up to Fareham, I recognized the marina car park which we briefly used last year. There's a 10kn speed limit but often I was down to 6kn to avoid wake and disturbing moored boaters.
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I left the port passing another ferry
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A feeling of joy being liberated that I could open the engine up again. I went through the outer gap in the submerged barrier and in no time at 25kn arrived at Langstone doing a clockwise circuit of the island to get back to the slip.

The sea was favourable inside and nobody was around. 31kn. 600rpm short.
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Difficult to judge the trim and the prop wasn't gripping when I tried to trim up but at least there was a bit of tailwind.

The old railway swing bridge would have been interesting in it's day.
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The road bridge couldn't stand the weight of the WW2 tanks and artillery so it all came in by rail. Today the disused railway route runs the length of the island and makes a great walking and cycling trail (The Billy Line) taking in many picturesque sights, oysterbeds, nature reserve, free car parks depending where you want to start from and there's a nice pub serving food at the end.
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Next step is to remove the doel fin which may confirm that the engine's set too high, then I'll drop it by 19mm (one hole).
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Re: Ranieri

Post by PeterM » 08 Sep 2022, 11:01

This is superb - really good to see someone really making the most of a relatively small boat , exploring places & not being afraid to ' give it a go' .

I feel for you with the aux dropping off - but at least it was tied on . Small boats are hugely capable and mostly we ( people) give up long before the boat does .

Love seeing the possibilities of the boating locations in & around the Solent ( and just outside ) - great locations and choices :)
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Re: Ranieri

Post by Limecc » 13 Sep 2022, 22:58

Managed to get out again to do another circumnavigation of the IoW, this time anti-clockwise. Great conditions although not a mill pond like last time.
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I'm absolutely loving this 17" prop. Less so the ding which I hope to straighten.
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Blasting by The Brambles sandbank there was a lot of disturbed water limiting speed to 22-25 knots but when clear of that was able to cruise at 28-29 knots at just over 5000 rpms returning 2.1Nm/L, instant fuel economy readout on the SMG4 gauge allowing trim and speed to be optimized. 69.7Nm total distance, used only 36L of fuel.
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Top speed recorded by Navionics was 33.9kn, 35kn potential.
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I'm not local so I was surprised to learn they have an annual cricket match on Bramble Bank at low tide in the middle of the Solent. Uniquely British. How bizarre!
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Bramble Bank has quite a reputation to catch the unwary, and the bigger they are, the bigger the accident.
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When I arrived at Alum Bay I hung around taking a little video and looking at the sights. The sun was out, sheltered from what little wind there was, amplified the sounds of the tourists. Some were queuing for the Rib ride, others for the sightseeing boat.
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'Wild Rosie' set off on another "high speed" RIB ride. That's a laugh. The thing's so heavy and slow, it only does about 20 knots but looks mightily impressive throwing up a large plume of spray, surprisingly little wake height.
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From a safe distance I shadowed it's journey. Blew it away the short distance to the Needles, stopped and took a quick video allowing it to catch up and pass by, followed in it's wake around the two submerged rocks in Scratchell's Bay, then whizzed by it again before stopping and having a 30 minute lunch break allowing myself to drift westward at about 1kn.
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Conditions on the far side of the island were a little lumpy at times because of a long Fetch and onshore breeze combined with overfalls. St Catherine's wasn't too bad but it was worst between Ventnor and Bembridge, I had to slow to 16-18 knots and they seemed to last forever.
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The shipping lane was nose-to-tail like the M1 as I neared Southampton and then I came across a low flying Coastguard helicopter. I stopped to take a video and it would have been a great one, loud noise, directly (50ft) overhead and huge downdraft but in my haste I didn't press the record button correctly until too late. The crew gave me a cheery wave as it changed direction and I cursed myself and set off again.
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Nearing Hayling I opened her up and trimmed up. Didn't catch it on the gauge but this must be where Navionics app recorded 33.9 knots. As always returning on a falling tide I was a little anxious but was over cautious and had 4.5m of water, I'd launched on 3.5m so had 45mins left for the campsite slipway or 1.5 hours for HYC Marina slip next door.
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The campsite slipway is great as the site owner doesn't mind me leaving car and trailer on the slip - just have to make sure the car rear wheels are above the high water line! Nobody watching, no pressure to hurry.

Waiting for the water. Having your own private slipway is great, have the ok from the site owners to leave car and trailer parked at the top of the slip above the waterline. Very convenient!
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Earlier in the day from the caravan window
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Moonlight turns night into day
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Creek at night, high (5m) tide. I think that's the planet Jupiter top left. Look how my torch lit up the clouds! Just kidding. It's a beautiful full moon.
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Re: Ranieri

Post by Limecc » 17 Sep 2022, 22:19

Performance update:

Having improved matters by removing the hydrofoil, I decided to lower the engine by one hole even if it meant the effort of raising it back again. It was the right choice.

For the benefit of those who never did it before, you put some wood under the skeg and extend the jockey wheel so the rear of the trailer goes down and the skeg takes the full weight of the engine. You take the top bolts out and loosen the lower ones so they can slide in the slots. You raise or lower the jockey wheel to align the next set of top holes. Apply sealant and nip the top bolts, then remove and re-seal the lower bolts followed by final tightening. All done on the campsite. Used black PU40 Polyeurethane from the local Toolstation branch.

Pleased with how efficiently I did the job I reversed the trailer down the slipway to wait for some water which was a couple of hours away. Unbeknown to me, the edge of the slipway did not run parallel to the pontoon. The prevailing wind had moved it and the edge of the concrete was invisible due to mud. Near the bottom the tyre slipped to the side and the trailer lurched at an angle and the metalwork touched down on the ramp, sinking black mud to the top of the mudguard. I couldn't pull it off as it would have damaged the galvanizing.
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I could have waited, floated the boat off then lifted the trailer back on the ramp but as I had nothing better to do, got out my wellies and cleared some mud with an old plank. Then used my trolley jack to lift the axle onto a railway sleeper then skidded it back onto the ramp again. Glad it was a private slip with nobody watching my embarrassment!

While I waited for the tide I found an old shovel and cleared the slipway, also creating a water draining trench down the side of the ramp. Because I'd cleared the mud, was able to go lower on the ramp and launch at 3.1m instead of 3.5m of tide.
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Heading out to sea the difference was immediately apparent. A light bow returned and trimming the engine had the expected effect. When I cleared the speed limit and opened it up against strong wind and tide it instantly reached 32 knots no problem, but I slowed down out of consideration for my passenger the partner of the campsite owner. I then let him take the helm and get a feel for the boat. Incidentally in his boatshed/mancave he has a Sealine 215 cruiser and a Jeanneau Merry Fisher 795 powered by a 150hp Mercury. Would love to get out in that!

I have no doubt that it would have struggled to reach 30 knots in those conditions (with the engine on the highest hole), so although I wasn't able to test it more thoroughly I know it will be faster than before and that currently stands at 34 knots. Performance is fantastic and my initial disappointment is gone. The 17" pitch is spot on and typical of what is used on 70hp engines so it confirms the result of the work by West Wales Tuning.

Also I managed to get the SMG4 trim gauge working correctly. There's two settings, 'sender' or 'sensor'. With the latter you calibrate fully up and full down positions but it never really displayed the full range, but with the former setting it worked better. Just teething problems.
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Another job I was really pleased to do was fine adjustment of the trailer. I moved the rear swing beam back and the rear carriages inwards slightly. Now it would be possible to dry launch the boat and on shallow ramps and less water the bow won't contact the center of the rear swing beam before the rollers take over. It was damaging the keel guard. Having a private ramp was invaluable, simply can't hog a public slip doing this kind of thing.
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Re: Ranieri

Post by Bigplumbs » 18 Sep 2022, 05:56

Very good write up and looks like you have it set up well now. Thanks for the info on how to easily adjust the engine height I would not have thought of that.

I will still tend to use our narwhal for our longer trips but I think the ranieri certainly is a very good boat.

I have a 3 cylinder 70 hp 2 stroke yam that I could put in the back but am going to stick with the 50 Tohatsu for a season to see how it goes. I am not after this boat being a speed freak

Gonna see what else I can buy at the boat show :)

How do you get your caravan and boat to the site

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Re: Ranieri

Post by sonny1 » 18 Sep 2022, 07:31

a good informative read, thanks, i enjoyed it
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