Old petrol
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Re: Old petrol
Just on the terra clean donny. I have seen first hand the difference this stuff can make to cars with high emmisions its magical gear (its not its jet fuel) but you get my drift. However sounds like mr terraclean is nocking the back door out of it doing it on a yearly basis.......ive seen a pic of your car (peugeot i beleive?) Now to say it needs doing every year is not correct unless you have an underlying problem its a modern day car........
You can do it every year if you wish but wasted money.......its a great product for a clean every 3-5 years for engines that get it done and continue but just like an oil flush for those older high miler diesels out their or petrols do it with caustion as you can dislodge years of carbon build up and upset seals etc.
You can do it every year if you wish but wasted money.......its a great product for a clean every 3-5 years for engines that get it done and continue but just like an oil flush for those older high miler diesels out their or petrols do it with caustion as you can dislodge years of carbon build up and upset seals etc.
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- Martin (06 May 2017, 06:05)
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Re: Old petrol
I was waiting for someone else to answer 1st and I whole heartedly agree with you matt..
These carbon removing devices/chemicals/equipment have a place for specific occasional use. Yearly is not something that needs doing and if anyone is running a quality fuel regularly they shouldn't really need to use it at all.
Donny, do you know if your car has a DPF ? (diesel particulate filter)
These carbon removing devices/chemicals/equipment have a place for specific occasional use. Yearly is not something that needs doing and if anyone is running a quality fuel regularly they shouldn't really need to use it at all.
Donny, do you know if your car has a DPF ? (diesel particulate filter)
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Peugeot sometimes use fap systems martin i have the 508 estate and its a FAP system a fluid that catches the particles rather than a filter that captures and burns them off as u probably well know what with being a trucker. Some later peugeots do use particle filters now as the price of that fluid is very high
As for the quality fuel point you made earlier in the thread you can not be any more bob on with that. I have now stopped using supermarkets and lesser known fuel stations as when i had my peugeot serviced this february the mechanic showed me the fuel filter (get it serviced at a peugeot specialist instead of doing it myself for resale leverage) and this filter was in a very poor state......it had silt in it and chewing gum!!!!! The guy who ive known for a looooong while said to me to stop filling at these fuel station and only fill at shell bp or esso and ill show you your fuel filter on the next service for comparison.
I firmly beleive these additives do prolong and improve the quality of the fuel the burn and emmisions.
As for the quality fuel point you made earlier in the thread you can not be any more bob on with that. I have now stopped using supermarkets and lesser known fuel stations as when i had my peugeot serviced this february the mechanic showed me the fuel filter (get it serviced at a peugeot specialist instead of doing it myself for resale leverage) and this filter was in a very poor state......it had silt in it and chewing gum!!!!! The guy who ive known for a looooong while said to me to stop filling at these fuel station and only fill at shell bp or esso and ill show you your fuel filter on the next service for comparison.
I firmly beleive these additives do prolong and improve the quality of the fuel the burn and emmisions.
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Re: Old petrol
I can't for the life in me remember what model or year Donny's motor is but in my head it was a Peugeot.
The fap system on the Citroen / Peugeots is the same concept of filter Matt, the difference being how they "clean" those nasty black particles
The fap system uses the fluid to chemically change the ignition temperature of the trapped particles,the particles are caught as they are in a normal DPF.... that's pretty much the top and bottom of it. Expensive corrosive/toxic liquids are stored in a tank onboard the vehicle, and added to the fuel to help this chemical change.
Another crafty crappy manufacturers design to take you back to the dealers for the plug in, download, pants down payment.
Our hgv's tend to use a mixture ...
Adblue & EGR/SCR. I'm sure many will see the adblue tubs at petrol stations these days?
That's a urea based liquid that's sprayed into the exhaust silencer to neutralise the nox. Plenty manufacturers are using it on the euro6 cars/vans as the adblue system has proved very effective.
Believe it or not, I've actually delivered adblue type liquids to power stations for them to trial a system to reduce the output of nastys ..,
The fap system on the Citroen / Peugeots is the same concept of filter Matt, the difference being how they "clean" those nasty black particles
The fap system uses the fluid to chemically change the ignition temperature of the trapped particles,the particles are caught as they are in a normal DPF.... that's pretty much the top and bottom of it. Expensive corrosive/toxic liquids are stored in a tank onboard the vehicle, and added to the fuel to help this chemical change.
Another crafty crappy manufacturers design to take you back to the dealers for the plug in, download, pants down payment.
Our hgv's tend to use a mixture ...
Adblue & EGR/SCR. I'm sure many will see the adblue tubs at petrol stations these days?
That's a urea based liquid that's sprayed into the exhaust silencer to neutralise the nox. Plenty manufacturers are using it on the euro6 cars/vans as the adblue system has proved very effective.
Believe it or not, I've actually delivered adblue type liquids to power stations for them to trial a system to reduce the output of nastys ..,
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Re: Old petrol
The premium v supermarket fuels debate is one which rages on the motorhome forums too.
On our diesel car and motorhome, I use premium (e.g. BP Ultimate) almost all the time and only use supermarket fuels if nothing else is available. In France, this is often the case so during trips there I put in additives myself. I admit my mechanical knowledge is not great but I am told by others who know better that keeping glow plugs, injectors etc clean by spending a few bob (or quid!) on fuel is cheaper in the long run than replacing them, which I understand is not as easy as whacking in spark plugs on a petrol. Both my vehicles have been owned by me for some time and have fairly high mileage so I do see the benefits of this myself.
I also keep strict mileage records, a habit I got into whilst running company vehicles for years, and there is definitely an improvement in recorded mpg* which in itself almost cancels out the extra pump costs of premium fuels.
On my petrol engined lawnmowers/garden tools and outboards, especially the 2 strokes, I just use standard petrol as the "mileages" are considerably less; I do however use fuel stabiliser towards the end of the season when there may be a chance of not using up the fuel.
That's just my experience, however, and I know others will swear by supermarket fuel - if that fits your own needs, great. I'm happy to share what I do but I'm not preaching to others to change what suits them.
* the improvement in mpg due to this pales into insignificance, however, when compared with the significant differences when the light-footed Mrs B does the driving!
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Re: Old petrol
Hey thanks for the info guys.. I'm just catching up on missed posts now.
I do love the Peugeot 4007..but cannot recommend the car to anyone. But I guess Peugeot knew that..as they stopped making them several years ago..and never replaced with a newer type of 4x4 SUV.
Thanks again for the info guys..this year..its done around 8k more since last service / terra clean ..so Mr terra clean is not flushing my wallet out this coming service
Yup..thats what I thought Matt..so thanks for confirming it I'm not an engine expert but though the garage was being a bit of a "madam". It is a Peugoet 4007 I have..its got 60k on thre clock. The garage terra cleaned it..full flush..engine and exhaust stuff at 45K miles..then next year after another 7k..said its best getting it done again. I got it done that year too. I wondered as I don't know any other diesel drivers who require terra clean every year when low milage ?mattswan2512 wrote:
You can do it every year if you wish but wasted money.......its a great product for a clean every 3-5 years for engines that get it done .
Yup..it has DPF too Martin..I know because the bag of yuch under the rear body started to leak at 40K miles.. same time the clutch went. It cost around £400 for a new bag of DPF yuck..and I even had to dispose of the old stuff for that price...as the garage didn't want to know it. I have never burned a clutch out in any car in my life ..and some I have done 150K in.Martin wrote: Donny, do you know if your car has a DPF ? (diesel particulate filter)
I do love the Peugeot 4007..but cannot recommend the car to anyone. But I guess Peugeot knew that..as they stopped making them several years ago..and never replaced with a newer type of 4x4 SUV.
Thanks again for the info guys..this year..its done around 8k more since last service / terra clean ..so Mr terra clean is not flushing my wallet out this coming service